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A Fugue is a "movement of continuity" and normally all grows out of the one original germ, the "subject," possibly with the aid of Published by MaestroX 20-12-2006 | |||||||||
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![]() | Thanks. I have a small question....Is this a copy paste job or a written out thing? |
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You did ask how to write a Fugue in the other, now closed thread, but I'll give you some free advice: 1. Take up the offer on finding a composition teacher or pursue that avenue yourself if you are interested in composition. An instructor can save you loads of time since you can kind of "steal" their knowledge and experience. 2. If you're interested in writing a Fugue, the thing to do is start listening to many of them, and it's especially helpful if you can follow along with the scores. Bach's Fugues from the two books of the Well Tempered Clavier are consider the "standard" by which all other fugures are judged by, but Bach's "Art of the Fugue" is also worth investigating. Bach also wrote many other fugues, as did many other composers - Beethoven's Grosse Fuge, the Kyrie from Mozart's Requiem mass, etc. 3. If you try to write a Fugue, you might try to walk before you run. I dare say that Fugue is considered by most to be the "hardest" of all forms of music to write (that is, if you want to adhere to the Bach model, you could certainly simplify it if you want). Many composers have written Fugato, Fughetta, Caccia, Ricercare, or other Fugal works or sections of works. These are often not "full blown" fugues but are scaled down versions of them. When I took a Tonal Counterpoint course, the Final project after one semester of study was not to write a Fugue, but only the Exposition of a Fugue! 4. Don't expect to write a Fugue, or anything for that matter, by reading about it, but I do think reading about something and tinkering with the concepts can a good experiment. That said, here's a Fugue: 3 Sections, Expostion, Middle Section, Close (Recapitulation, etc.) In The Exposition, you present your Subject in each voice. In the middle section, you usually modulate to a new key, and present the Subjects again, usually in motivic fashion, or in modulatory bits. In the final section, you return to the home key and present your Subject again. The subject enters in the home key, by itself usually. Once the Subject is complete, the Answer comes in. The Answer is basically the Subject transposed to enter on scale degree 5. If it is an exact transposition we say it's a real answer, but if if it adjusts intervals to keep it in the original key we say it's tonal. When the Anwser enters, the original part continues in counterpoint with the Answer. If this music is also "important" (i.e. to be used for motive later) we call it a Countersubject. Usually the two play a couple of measures before the third entry. In other words, the 3 or four parts don't just enter 1 2 3 4 , they enter more like 1 2 time 3 4, etc. Entries are always T-D-T-D in alternation (though modern composers like Bartok made his entries in the Fugue in Music for Strings Percussion and Celeste enter by perfect 5ths each time). Once all voices have entered, and statments of the Subjects/Answers are complete, the Exposition is done. Usually what happens next is the music continues contrpuntally, modulates to some related key, and then motives from the Subject and Countersubject (if any) are used in a "development" manner. It should be noted here that often the subject will appera inverted, in augmentation or diminution or even in retrograde in this section. Basically this section is a chance for the composer to "play with" the material. The final section has a return of the subjects in the original key. Usually they enter similarly to the Exposition though it's rarely an exact repeat. Frequently, the subject is written so the next entries come in "too soon" and make an overlap (that is, originally, the answer waited until the subject finished to enter, but now, the answer enters before the subject is complete). This is called Stretto. Many fugues have a Stretto but not all do - it's actually probably a 50/50 thing. So basically the point of the final section is to re-establish the home key, and to remind us of what the original subject was after hearing it all chopped up/upside down, etc. in the previous section. Usually there's a big final flourish on the Dominant (the Dominant Pedal) to lead us to the final cadence. Now this is a lot to digest isn't it! Maybe what you can do is take this synopsis (which is a little more general than waht Maestro posted) and listen to a few fugues and see if you can hear these things and start to make sens of the form with your ears. Then you can start trying to take waht you've heard and put your own spin on it. Have fun, Steve | |
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![]() | This is where I come un-stuck. Having no formal training in composition all my work is just using melodies etc that have arrived, this deep stuff seems to be academic and not inspirational. I just write what arrives. Obviously you guys are into composition in a deep and meaningful way, analysing as you go. I just want to write what I feel at the time. |
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To be honest with you, many people find Fugues to be "academic" and don't like them for that reason. I like films. I like Hitchcock movies. On one level, you can sit and watch the film. On another level, you can look at the camer angles and types of shots he used. Seeing these, and understanding how they support the narrative, lead to a much deeper understanding of the movie. So this "academic" perspective makes us like it this much more. THe same is true of music. And I think those people who understand music at a much deeper level have this insidious desire to bring others into that fold. There are already too few of us out there, and we long for others who appreciate music in the same way we do. Your average listener might like Beethoven's 5th. But just think how much more they'd like (or appreciate) it if they understood how the main motive works in all four movements (and as a T-Bone player, you should know this!). I see this a lot. A lot of people think we're being snobbish, or elitist, or we're trying to force out values upon them. That's not the case at all. Most of us just "get" music in a way that the general public don't. And we're trying to find other people who desire to "get" music and lead them on the path to nirvana. So I think you should be writing what you feel at the time. Anything else is being untrue to yourself. But what about you is unstuck? Do you want to learn more, or are you happy writing what you feel at the time. Do you feel there's room for improvement, exploration or experimentation? Do you feel that academic training will somehow "ruin" the "naturalness" of what you currently do? Or do you feel that training will help you channel your thoughts into a cohesive work? You were asking about how to write a Fugue. Why? Best, Steve | |
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![]() | Hi Steve, I would like to learn to write a fugue, even in a small way because I really like them. What I really need is some kind of basic instruction into their form, shape (whatever) and take it from there. |
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![]() | MaestroX and stevel covered it pretty well. I would suggest (if composing your own fugues is what you want) to start working with melodic ideas in two-voice style using the contrapuntal devices stated in MaestroX's post (like a Bach invention). Then try to add a third voice. Once you feel comfortable with three voices (most fugues have 3-5 voices) in a "freer" format then you can try the fugal style, which is much more strict. |
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![]() | Here are a few characteristics to take into consideration.
These are only if your trying to write a strict baroque piece, and they are only a guide as the list of things is very long! I think the most important thing here is to listen, study scores and play the music. Get some Bach two part inventions and try play them on the piano. If they are too difficult (i'm not sure if you're a piano player) try any of the pieces from Anna Magdalena's Notebooks. Hope this helps ![]() |
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