The new pop music

[chckn8r]

Originally Posted by stevel

So of course, our classical station (the local one anyway), while it operates non-commercially and is not subject to the dictates of advertising, it is subject to the dictates of the funding agencies

Sorry to hear that Steve.

It is sad tho ... when living in Seattle, we didn't really have any decent classical station. However, the local NPR affiliate (KPLU) had a great jazz program and there was a publicly funded REAL alternative station (KEXP) that I still listen to streamed over the 'net - they too have some great programs and play great stuff from all over the world.

Here's to a less pissy finish to your day...

D

[SeriouslyRetro]

I point it out because many people (not necessarily you) go around saying "my favorite Symphony is Beethoven's 5th" - in many cases, it may in fact be the only symphony they've ever heard!

Well, that's definitely not me. I've listened to every movement of the 9 symphonies (even the ones I hate) many, many times - I own the complete set on disc. I voted for Symphonies 7 and 9, because these are my two favourites (poll asked for two).

Originally Posted by stevel

Here in puritanical america, government funding doesn't work. First, people complain that the government is spending money at all on the arts, which are of course "sissy" and a waste of time, and that we should be building Aircraft Carriers so someone else can make a profit off my tax dollars. Secondly, when there is funding, the interest groups chime in - "you can't fund that, it's offensive to me".

So of course, our classical station (the local one anyway), while it operates non-commercially and is not subject to the dictates of advertising, it is subject to the dictates of the funding agencies (hey, I'll give you 100,000 if you stop playing that old renaysance music) and the listener/supporters (hey, I'll give you 10,000 dollars if you put my name in your brochure as a supporter and stop playing any of that modern junk like Debussy).

Oh Well.

(you guys can tell I'm in a pissy mood today :-).

Steve

I agree with everything you said there. I love the US public broadcasting, but you can see that the funding agencies have an influence over programming. Depending on who is behind the donations and what their motives are, this can be a very bad thing. Damn, I wish they didn't make those huge government cuts to public broadcasting, causing them to become desperate for funding. (commercials on PBS?? What is this world coming to?)

[suurprobleem]

Hey!

My thoughts..

In "modern world" is quite a important to array all..
Music, beer etc... It is a common to the consumer society...

Anyway, one aspect is.. Are those top votes, charts real...?
I mean, they are only sum of some kind of numbers.. It doesn't mean it is real... Btw! There are lots of possibilities to manipulate those charts and votings...!!

We live in deceptive world, today...

That's how i think about it!!

[reith]

Well, yes, but the media put out what they hope will win an audience. Even if they fabricate the "charts" they have to chart saleable items or they go broke. But it's certainly true that the media can manipulate "fashion" even if it doesn't last. I've lived through the tail-end of a fad about serial music and particularly Berg, with bejewelled ladies proclaiming "Oh, but I do lahhhve Berg's Chamber Concerto, dahhhling, deon't you? Lulu? Simply wahhnderful! Would you like another Martini?"
Honestly, if they'd ever heard it, they suffered it because it was 'in the scene'! (And by the way, I'm perfectly happy with Berg's music and, as a youngster, was quite miffed that it had become 'fashion'.)

But what I meant was classics-"chart-listeners" are those who listen only to the most popular classics as if they're a kind of highbrow pop music, but have no sense of musical adventure to enquire deeper into that music or the composers; or listen to less popular works of the same composers; or find other composers writing in a similar genre, let alone explore music.

Don't get me wrong, such people are much appreciated because they do support the less popular (and new) composers/bands/ensembles financially, when buying music.

[suurprobleem]

Yes, i agree, that people are superficial!! If you meant this... They don't bother to search or go deeply into the subject! I guess, we can say this to some classical music listeners, as well....

And about "charts"... I really meant, that there are lots of possibilities to cheat.. I mean not only media forms our understandings.There are lots of other influences, for example - pals, our close people, all environment, to be correct..
But what i meant - Lots of pop music producers, for example, using quite a strange ways to get better positions in charts (for example - buying cd-s of their own artists - this isn't only method!)... So, there are lots of other things, what forms our understandings or manipulating with "charts" and with our understandings.
But, yes it is media mostly what forms our understandings, because we consuming every day all that info, it gives to us... ... And some of us processing it, some of us simply taking it as a truth!!

[Acciacatura]

Interesting that I'm finding people who like popular or less popular popular and classical and look deeply into one also search deeper into the other.

[reith]

It's the endless search for new musical experiences. The straight and narrow chart road is fine but the jungles either side of it are the places I'm happiest exploring!

[chckn8r]

Originally Posted by reith

It's the endless search for new musical experiences. The straight and narrow chart road is fine but the jungles either side of it are the places I'm happiest exploring!

{swoon} - Reith is waxing poetic!