Recommend a Delay VST

[chckn8r]

Originally Posted by gravehill

The original post mentioned ModDelay so I take it that Crimson is using some version from Cubase. Cubase does the plug-in delay compensation automatically, provided that it is switched on.

No, the original post mentioned CuBase/ModDelay as the DAW he used to use and he's trying to use Sibelius 5 and Synful along with other VST's right now and running into problems:

Originally Posted by crimson

This is to make use of Synful Orchestra's "delay for expression" feature in Sibelius with other VSTis.

I'm also not familiar with the various delay parameters, so I'd be pleased to hear the correct tweaks for achieving this effect. The only delay I have been able to achieve this effect is with Cubase's ModDelay.

Originally Posted by VicDiesel

He's using Synful Orchestra, which is a (rather expensive!) orchestral plugin, that seems to get its realism partly from getting the transitions between notes right -- other libraries typically stink at phrasing -- but for that it needs to analyze the next note together with the current.

I've heard of Synful, but never really checked it out. So, I'm assuming from it's name that it's more of a physical modeling orchestral "library" rather than a sample playback... That would explain the resource hogging.

Again though, you'd think that Sibelius and/or Synful would have a mechanism for delay compensation to deal with this, or is Sibelius assuming that you're only going to be using one plug-in?

I'd think that without a delay compensation function you'd be performing a never-ending balancing act adjusting delay time as you add and subtract instruments playing at one time in your piece as that would definitely have a dynamic effect on CPU usage throughout the performance.

Isn't there a "freeze" function or something like that in Sibelius where you can convert soft-synth tracks to audio files so as to free-up CPU cycles?

[crimson]

I was a bit unclear in my previous posts. What I'm trying to do is to have Sibelius 5 play a score using Synful Orchestra along with another VST (Kontakt 2). I want to use Synful's Delay for Expression setting for the playback to make it sound nicer, and DFE adds a 1 second delay to the tracks that are played by Synful. This leads to the problem that now the Synful tracks play at a different time than the Kontakt tracks. I need to somehow delay the Kontakt tracks by 1 second to make them play at the same time as the Synful tracks. For this I needed the delay plugin, and I've yet to try out the Kjaerhus delay and check whether Sibelius has it as an insert or something else.

I don't know too much about the technicalities of Synful, but I don't think the delay is due to resource strain, but more like Synful needing time to analyze the incoming notes beforehand in order to adjust its playback realistically. Or at least I remember reading something like that in the manual. And yes, Synful is a software synth. Without DFE on, it plays just like any other VSTi in Sibelius.

[gravehill]

Hmm, have you tried to see if the Sibelius manual says anything about plug-in delay compensation or latency compensation? I don't have Sibelius so I can help you there but it would surprise me if the added the VST capability and left out the delay compensation...