3rd part of my 2nd Violin Concerto

[idealist]

I would like to bring the 3rd part of my 2nd Concerto for Violin and Orchestra named "The Change" in discussion.
I don't think that this concerto is my Major Work (I prefer my 3rd Piano Concerto as well as my 3rd Symphony ) but, this work has the most for me sometimes interesting reactions until today.
The reason for the name "The Change" was because of changement in politics as well as my style too. (I'd startet this work 1990 and finished it 2002, published it 2004 (My first sequenzer). Especially the 3rd part was under influence of 2001, 2002. To compose the complete work it took 1/2 year (with several breaks :confused: ). Because of a possible premiere next year, I had revised the work 2006 completely (more brass, larger choires, more Celesta, some new ideas etc.) - this final version will be published in 2007 by premiere or in better quality with new Libraries.
Hope the quality of this earlier version I introduce to you is enough for this forum:

http://music.download.com/markklatt/...#song100756614

The work is a mixture of ideas 16 years ago and later ideas, therefore it's like a bridge between my earlier works and my later works.

[reith]

This work is basically fine - good structure and some interesting harmonies (except I didn't like the direct repeat of the phrase 0:12 at 0:18 - is it worth making a slight change (e.g. to the scoring there) ? WIthout hearing the other movements, it seems a little static and the ending seems inconclusive. It winds down, has a brief outburst of energy then stops. But you're the composer so if this is what you want, fine! It may relate to your inspiration and the idea of 'change'.

I'm not convinced by the violin part though. For a concerto it seems insufficiently virtuostic except a few moments here and there. The piano is almost as viruostic. Is there no chance of a violin cadenza before the close.

Is there to be a fourth section?

I'm strapped for time at the moment or I'd listen to the other movements.

Good luck with it, and the publication!

Reith.

[idealist]

Reith,

thank you very much for your post. You're a wonderful analyst, you are understanding the main message of this work.
Yes, indeed, the virtuosity (Solo Violin) of this work is not very high - similar to the power of a normal citizen in comparizon to current development. In a premiere the violin part should be played by a woman (In my eyes it should be a non professional artist, say a young and innocent woman) standing only a little bit in front of an orchestra (=team, group of people) not like a leadership only like a voice of many (piano = other voice etc.). The role of the violin is a very fragile leading part it should show the powerlessnes of many people (Orchestra) articulated by this one voice in comparizon to several changes (politics etc.) in world. The mixture of style is what these people see and feel, there is no structure they're living in an ambivalent world.
The inconclusive final is like a question. What kind of result will bring the next years (Globalization, Terror Attacks, War against Iraq etc.) - Positive or negative for these people.
Will there be a better world or will the world worse the next years?
The change is like a reflection of many people in the world who feel powerlessnes about current developments in several (private too) areas, that's the intention of this work. The following work, my 3rd Concerto "The Revelation" has more virtuosic parts and a stronger leading part of the Violin Solo, in this concerto the situation of one person is reflected. (4 parts, Introduction, weekday, burn out, revelation)
It's possible that in the next years these two works will become one. I cannot say, in the style the are very different.

[MaestroX]

This is an interesting piece, you create an orignal sound scape in your music, like you are painting a picture. You pull it off very nicely.

I'm not convinced by the violin part though. For a concerto it seems insufficiently virtuostic except a few moments here and there. The piano is almost as viruostic. Is there no chance of a violin cadenza before the close.

I agree with reith on this one, perhaps making the violin have a more prominent role would make it seem more of an concerto.I think this is the big downfall of the piece, but if sorted iit would be very good indeed.

I do love the runs on the piano you do throughout the piece. Anychance of a score?

[idealist]

Hi MaestroX,

thank you for your critics about my Violin Concerto, next year I will publish it in a better quality with new libraries, the Violin Part is indeed not so expressive.
If we can meet private and personal, we can discuss the scores and I will show you, but I'll publish my scores not for free, only for premiere, because of several and for me destructive critics in Germany for several years.
It would be a bad joke for me that e.g. the peoples who said all you make is shit, will use my music at a later point. For a real premiere or in private meetings the scores can be published. Where do you live?

[MaestroX]

No problem, I enjoyed listening to it

I live in Cumbria in the UK, you?

[idealist]

Hi MaestroX,

I'm living in the South of Germany, but these times I'm staying in Canada to study English etc.(My English should become better, if possible).
If I'm back (End of the year), maybe someday in the next year we can meet together in UK, then we can discuss the scores you are interested in. I for myself are very interested in your opinion about the sometimes 'unusual' orchestration. Many greetings from Canada.

[MaestroX]

That sounds like a great idea. When I say 'unusual' orchestration, I mean its orchestration thats unusual to me, so it would be interesting to see how you've scored the instruments.

[idealist]

Hi MaestroX,

no, sorry about my English and my expressions, I meant not your opinion about the orchestration which is abolutely correct. No, its indeed an unusual orchestration, my works are often using not the standard orchestration, I'm a selfmade composer who has developed maybe his own kind of orchestration (if this is good this is another question), maybe professional musicians will get a heart attack if they see my ideas of intsrumental interaction - I don't know.
I love this forum, you're all so brillant analysts, I never met people like you before.
Hope we will meet together next year, I'm really very interested to discuss my ideas with you who have the experience and knowledge.
:-) Mark

[Thorolf]

For unusual orchestration, look no further than “Symphony of Psalms” by Stravinsky. Big Symphony Orchestra, with no violins and violas… (and no clarinets)/Big Symphonic Band, with no Clarinets (+Celloes and Double basses).

As the lighter strings are the main sound of the symphony orchestra, and the clarinet choir is the heart of any symphonic band, he just removed them, and put 2 pianos, one harp and a choir instead. It is a revelation to hear a choir singing symphonic music, without having to compete with the chinheld strings…

Regards