hey everyone, i have a big Q...

[teejay]

hey there, im new here and have joined primarily (although i do hope to stay!) to ask this question: at about the 5:00min mark of this amazing documentary about the life and works of Astor Piazzolla his jazz pianist pulls out some subime harmonisation (to me anyway!!).

YouTube - TANGO MAESTRO - Astor Piazzolla - part 8

does anyone here have any idea of what he is doing here. i am primarily a guitar player but trying to learn as much about keys as i can. i was sick of being the musician who knows less notes than ten year old trumpet player (and that is no insult to them!!).

but anyway, any information of this technique wwould be greatly appreciated (even just a name would be a gret start) and i look forward to becoming a more active member in this comunity.

thank-you kindly.

teej.


ps: please also enjoy the documentary, it is amazingly insightf, both about the man and the music.

[reith]

Did you mean the 5'00" mark as it counts down? From about 6'12" to 5'15"???

The harmony sounds remarkably similar to that in Chopin's prelude #4 in E minor.

[Thorolf]

No, it’s on 5:06 if you follow the original YouTube link; that makes for 3:14 on the countdown. Pianist Pablo Ziegler ripples some nice extended diminished chords, basically 7b9#11 chords in a particularly nice voicing.



Regards

[teejay]

thank-you for that little translation thorolf, i hadn't anticipated the automatic embedding of the video, pretty nifty though i must say.

and forgive my ignorance but it semmed as though had something to play with eveynote of the chromatic scale whereas my limited knowledge of the diminished-ness has me jumping round in m3's (minor thirds). is that just for substitution and what he does is something to do with with the whole-half then? argh!!

i basicaly am ashamed to be a guitarist and not a musician like so many other guitarists out there so yeah please forgive my lack of knowledge/coherance.

[Thorolf]

Originally Posted by teejay

thank-you for that little translation thorolf, i hadn't anticipated the automatic embedding of the video, pretty nifty though i must say.

Hehe, no automation, I just silently edited it to utilize our feature…

As for the chord, a 7b9 chord is a diminished chord, just with an additional bass note: e. g. C# dim consists of c# e g and a#. Add a C in the bottom, and voila, you got C7b9 right out of the box!

And when this chord is extended with another note as well, the #11, it makes it contain two full major triads one tritone apart, e. g. C major plus F# major: c e g f# a# c#.

And that is your chord, man!

Regards

[teejay]

thankyou so much thorolf (not one iv heard before ) for your help on this one, without it i woud still be strting and stopping the video to scheck out his voicings...

that stuff about the two major triads a tritone apart has also helped me greatly in that it has helped bring together what little knowlegde i had on the matter under my fingers so thanks again.

out of interest are there many astor piazzolla fans in the house? im trying to get my teeth into the tango nuevo of argentina and he is considered golden age