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Old 20-11-2007, 12:40 PM
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Slow Minor Blues?

I'm writing some sort of Jazz Blues in a minor key and slow tempo, and I found out that I've never really heard such a piece. I wonder if anyone can point me to one?
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Old 25-11-2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: Slow Minor Blues?

The first one that always springs to mind is the St James' Infirmary Blues but there are literally thousands. Of course, there is not really any such thing as a traditional minor blues any more than there is a major blues - the blues is essentially pentatonic and is most easily understood as a major key with flattened 3rds and 7ths, especially in the melody.

You can see a performance (albeit not a great one but free of copyright) at
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Old 25-11-2007, 04:45 PM
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Re: Slow Minor Blues?

Thanks, though I should've said I'm looking for an instrumental one...

Of course, there is not really any such thing as a traditional minor blues any more than there is a major blues
Well, the melody is pentatonic, but I was thinking about the harmony.
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Old 25-11-2007, 05:53 PM
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Re: Slow Minor Blues?

Okay - how's about Round Midnight (Thelonius Monk) - lovely minor blues with lots of instrumental versions. As regards harmony in general for minor blues, rule of thumb is minor seventh tonic and sub-dominant, major dominant, and then enjoy augmenting/diminishing them to suit.

There's this (original artist)

and then there's this wonderful vocal instrumental from Bobby McFerrin
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Re: Slow Minor Blues?

Originally Posted by Ron Ofir View Post
Thanks, though I should've said I'm looking for an instrumental one...


Well, the melody is pentatonic, but I was thinking about the harmony.
Skeletal Blues Form:

I - I - I - I
IV - IV - I - I
V - V - I - I

Simply change to minor:

i - i - i - i
iv - iv - i - i
v - v - i - i

Sometimes however, the V is kept major (Dominant 7), and sometimes, for a Dorian feel, the IV is kept major (Dominant 7).

A lot of times, to add to the minor feel, a bVI7 is included somewhere, usually in place of the 1st v chord above.

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Re: Slow Minor Blues?

Have to disagree with Steve - skeletal 12-bar blues is:

I-I-I-I
IV-IV-I-I
V-IV-I-I
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Re: Slow Minor Blues?

Yes, I know all about that already, I've played Equinox and the like and I'm using a somewhat different harmony, more like:
3/4
i i v - ii(sus)* - i i v - i
i i v - ii(sus) - V+** V+ ii(sus) - ii(sus) v iv - i

* - 7b5 sounds too minor, so I either drop the 5 (how is that notated? -5?) or change it to 4.
** - An augemented chord sounds way cooler than a major one here for some reason (maybe because it contains the 3rd of the scale, which pulls so strongly back to the root in blues).

fundrazor: Great! Thanks.
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Re: Slow Minor Blues?

Originally Posted by fundrazor View Post
Have to disagree with Steve - skeletal 12-bar blues is:

I-I-I-I
IV-IV-I-I
V-IV-I-I
I have to re-disagree, as would Chuck Berry et al - by skeletal, I mean the "simplest".

Other common additions are:

V-IV-I-I in the last line as you put, and

I - IV - I - I in the first line. So a "non-skeletal" version might be:

I - IV - I - I
IV - IV - I - I
V - IV - I - I

many people like this one because all lines end 4-1-1 and you only have to remember the beginning chord is diffrent - and in order - 1 4 5!!!

Obviously we should also include a V turnaround at the end.

Other than that, the most common alteration when not using Dom 7th chords or, when in minor is:

I - I - I - V7/IV (I7)

or

i - i - i - V7/iv (I7)

In the first line.

After that, we start getting too complex to call it a "basic form" anymore.

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