Tango (continuing to be addicted)

[stevel]

Originally Posted by ttw

Revised version.

http://www.mediamax.com/sudoplatov/Hosted/tango716.mp3

WOW! :-)

99.99999999 percent perfect (and as much as I nitpick things, I hope you take that as a compliment :-)

Every single revision you made has improved the piece by far.

I have a couple of comments, just for consideration:

m. 30 - wonderful solution to get us back to the b6 to preface the +6. I wonder though if the En shouldn't appear earlier in the measure. I wonder if putting the tritone E/Bb on the downbeat won't prepare us aurally for the tritone you have at the beginning of the +6 measure???

m. 33 - no offense, but still clumsy. You've prefaced it nicely, downplaying the "shock" of it (plus the C7 earlier prepares a little). I still wonder if the tritone wouldn't be better as Ab/F# (or if the tritone earlier in the C7 would help). And the LH "cluster" F#/Ab is still problematic IMHO. I wonder if you might be a little too "locked in" to the accompaniment pattern. What if, the LH was like the previous measure, rather than the next measure, so:
Ab Ab F# Ab/C - identical (except for beat 4) to the previous measure except for the F# - and why not - you've already got the F# in the top. It seems you can "thin" that chord on beat 3, or something to bring it more "in line" with the surrounding measures.

The coda now sounds like it's "supposed to be there" which I think is wonderful - it encapsulates the whole piece nicely - there's some familiarity and some added interest.

m. 58 - I wonder if you shouldn't start the bass octaves sooner? Maybe n the D, or even back at the Bn (sort of like what you did with the octave G pick up to m 64 - started it before the downbeat!). Doing it at the start of the measure seems a little abrupt (or maybe "too obvious" to me).

I think the ending is more effective too (I hope you agree).

What a wonderful piece Tony.

Steve

[ttw]

I'll look. Those were the places that gave me a bit of trouble.

I changed the beginning of the coda to be more like the part it's derived from, at least in texture and pulse.

[ttw]

Thanks for the comments again. Here's an further revised version.

http://www.mediamax.com/sudoplatov/Hosted/tango716.mp3

[PeterG]

Originally Posted by ttw

It's a computer rendering. (I could have played this 40 years ago; perhaps I'll get my chops back sometime.)

I used Finale2008 with the GPO Steinway.

Are you running Finale on a Mac or on a PC?

[ttw]

I'm on a PC. It's a Gateway media system (on sale at the time) with 2g memory (I added 1g) and some software sound stuff driven by Intel Audio but it's weird. I think the sound is k-tel or someone.

[stevel]

Originally Posted by ttw

Thanks for the comments again. Here's an further revised version.

http://www.mediamax.com/sudoplatov/Hosted/tango716.mp3

Wow - I think it's improved even more! - The E/Bb pair on that C& chord sounds way better to me (and more typical) and I like how it "sneaks" back to minor using the Ab at the end of that measure. It also does really seem to soften the blow of the +6 measure.

One question about the +6 - you have D in there for a French +6 - is that what you want? Just making sure it wasn't a typo and you meant C instead (which would just make it Italian).

I think including the octave earlier in the LH passage also works much better - it "sneaks in" rather than just plomping down on that downbeat.

What do you think?

Best,
Steve

[ttw]

Originally Posted by stevel

Wow - I think it's improved even more! - The E/Bb pair on that C& chord sounds way better to me (and more typical) and I like how it "sneaks" back to minor using the Ab at the end of that measure. It also does really seem to soften the blow of the +6 measure.

One question about the +6 - you have D in there for a French +6 - is that what you want? Just making sure it wasn't a typo and you meant C instead (which would just make it Italian).

I think including the octave earlier in the LH passage also works much better - it "sneaks in" rather than just plomping down on that downbeat.

What do you think?

Best,
Steve

Should be the C. I tried the D; it sounded OK, but no better (and not related to anything else) so I meant to keep the C.

I'm having ISP problems, so I many not have got the correct file sent. I'll check again.

I had to modify a bit more in the coda to accommodate the early entrance of the bass octaves; the 3+3+2 division of the measure (88r88r88) was out of place then and the quarter note on the first beat of the Habanera rhythm reprise became too heavy. I just used eighth notes to keep the pulse started under the 16note part. It's a short coda so I thought interrupting the rhythm wouldn't work (no codus interruptus here.)

Thanks for the comments again.

[stevel]

Originally Posted by ttw

(no codus interruptus here.)

he he he.

Actually, the rhythm didn't bother me so much because:

88r88r88 seems like a logical extension of one of your basic patterns:

88r8 |8 r 8 r | just becomes two of the first part together.

But yeah, if you think it doesn't go, nix it - I think you're right in that is might be a little too "new" to be introduced in the coda (now, if you could introduce it earlier....????? :-)

Steve